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Post by Spidubic on Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:32 pm

Seems like McGuinty is bent on wrecking anything that brings money to Ontario.

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Post by growler on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:46 am

he's not interested in doing the right or fair thing ?
another sad outcome of him being elected,and the ndp backing his decisions !
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Post by Spidubic on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:57 am

I am not sure he would have got voted out if another election was called. I think right now in Ontario there are a lot of people sick of elections, more maybe that are sick of McGuinty. My fear about another election is McGuinty would get a majority this time. Better to leave him a minority and have the other parties work hard to win the voters so by the next election he has no chance to win.

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Post by Slowfood on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:49 pm

Well a majority for the Liberals may be at hand.They are only 1 seat short of majority territory.
PC MPP Elizabeth Witmer has resigned.
If the Liberals win this seat in the Byelection and the Speaker of The House (Dave Levac Liberal)votes to break a tie , they will have a majority.
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Post by kishgo on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:54 pm

My hubby totally agrees with your thoughts slowfood. I believe the SOH often sides with the ruling party.
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Post by tito fuentes on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:33 am

As horrifying as euthenizing new foals seems to me , I am heart broken for the people who have spent their lives genetically engineering the finest equine athletes, only to be forced by the idiotic policies of an inept government, to have to take this action.I think that it is necessary to remember that the blood is not only on the hands of Dwight Duncan and Dalton McGuinty but also on those Horwathians who chose to abstain from the budget vote. The NDP leader looks into the camera and tells us that they will not defeat the budget and take down the government but for us in no way,to look upon this act as support for the Liberals? Really? To me , a non vote is equal to a vote for. I hope voters will remember this cowardly shell game when the inevitable next election comes along!!!

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Post by retired2 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:24 pm

And vote for the Liberals again?????
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Post by tito fuentes on Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:16 pm

That's the rub retired.I am getting to the point where I don't feel comfortable supporting any politician no matter municipal, provincial or federal. Maybe we should let Donald Trump select our leaders with an adaptation of Celebrity Apprentice.. Just imagine " Dalton you're fired".

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Post by kishgo on Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:41 pm

McGuinty out to kill Ontario? 4195803818
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Post by uncle jack on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:45 pm

McGuinty out to kill Ontario? 2002611851 McGuinty out to kill Ontario? 4195803818 McGuinty out to kill Ontario? 4195803818
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Post by Spidubic on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:45 pm

Exactly! Who do you vote for? Hudak in the last election did nothing but earn the nickname Mini-McGuinty and the NDP basically attempted to play both ends of the field by not voting on the budget. So who is left if you don't want to vote for any of them?

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Post by Spidubic on Wed May 30, 2012 9:39 am

How do politicians get where they are? Cannot be brains.

Horse haven braces for surge

"The McGuinty government will stop sharing slot revenue in 2013. The government claims the subsidy is worth $345 million a year. The track industry counters that the money supports goods and services worth an estimated $1.1 billion to the provincial economy."

So McGuinty is looking to grab $345 million for his government by sacrificing a possible $1.1 billion in money that goes into the Ontario economy? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Horses are making money for people in rural Ontario that may keep those people from needing government help. So McG pulls that money to make himself a few million and chances are a lot of the people that were being supported by horses will now be supported by the government. Brilliant!

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Post by retired2 on Wed May 30, 2012 11:12 am

Forgot who sold the 407 but same thing, a one shot deal for some money but lost the revenue forever. Hope they don't get rid of the LCBO
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Post by Spidubic on Wed May 30, 2012 11:18 am

That is the problem with selling off that kind of stuff. It is a one shot money grab. But they forget they lose any further profit from what they sell. So is selling something for a few hundred million in the bank now worth losing out on yearly income? In government I guess it is because they get to show the books and say look we lowered the deficit. But at what cost? They are in it for the now and not the future and that needs to change. But the now gets them elected not the future.

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Post by growler on Wed May 30, 2012 11:59 am

retired2 wrote:And vote for the Liberals again?????

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yeah....... right ?

lol!
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Post by Slowfood on Wed May 30, 2012 9:19 pm

I thought the original reason for the slots at the tracks was because the horse racing community and their tracks were going broke. They asked to put in slots and siphon off money to keep horse racing part afloat.The tracks and the government both win.
Now OLG sees new casinos as the better way , moving the slots there and adding table games AND keeping ALL the money.
Putting the slots at the tracks just postponed the inevitable demise of these tracks. Most of the cars were there for the slots, not the racing.
Peoples entertainment wants change over time. If the horsey world cannot stand on its own too bad.
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Post by Spidubic on Wed May 30, 2012 9:28 pm

Problem is the horsey world was putting millions (actually billions) of dollars into rural areas. The same cannot be said for slots. That money is pretty much going to the big city. A lt of county folk are going to be out of work because of this. Once again the city wins and the county loses.

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Post by tito fuentes on Wed May 30, 2012 10:12 pm

Slowfood are you a member of the Liberal government because you are as misinformed as they appear to be. The racing community nor the race tracks ASKED for the slots. The OLG saw the opportunity to put the slots at the tracks because there were already gamblers there and the tracks provided the facility in which to house the one armed bandits. Thus a partnership between the OLG and the "horsey world" was forged. Remember that these are slot machines ....no poker....no wheels....no dice! It is also important to remember that very little of Liberal support comes from rural Ontario..the "horsey world". I hope you remain smug when this 60,000 people strong Ontario industry crumbles and rich American Gaming Companys take your money!

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Post by Slowfood on Thu May 31, 2012 8:17 pm

I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can imagine.
I was once asked to consider running for the PC's.
The point still is why cannot the horse racing world stand on its own with out a subsidy?
if these guys are putting"billions of dollars into the rural countryside" they don't need the handout then do they?
If a business/industry cannot stand on it's own then it should go.
No propping it up.
Survival of the fittest and all that.

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Post by tito fuentes on Thu May 31, 2012 9:05 pm

I do not know you Slowfood but you have certain qualities that our politicians currently have that give us so much trouble. You just do not get it! Let me explain. If you had a facility in which I could put my slots , free of charge, and we would divide the profits in a mutually agreed upon percentage, would you consider me subidising your facility? Of course not. That is exactly what happened with the racetrack / slots agreement. According to some sources, there is possible litigation in the works for breaking of contract. Secondly, where do you get your"putting billions of dollars into the rural countryside" from. The Ontario government ( you and me ) collected 1.4 BILLION DOLLARS in tax revenues this past year from taxes levied on pari mutual betting and slots at tracks. I am sure benefits from these monies were felt throughout the entire province. Lastly, horse racing is an agricultural industry. Should everyone in this sector, or the auto sector , or the technology sector etc.....stand on their own? Would we accept losing 60,000 jobs in any of these areas? Please look into this issue a little deeper than just accepting the political bunk you, and many others, seem to be ingesting. I encourage you to visit the STANDARDBRED CANADA website to see the real facts and ramifications of this shameful legislation.


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Post by Spidubic on Thu May 31, 2012 9:42 pm

Short term gains, long term negatives

Not subsidizing but sharing revenue:
The program, in which racetracks and the horse-racing industry split 20 per cent of revenue from slot machines located at tracks, has been widely credited with stabilizing and rejuvenating the racing industry by allowing tracks to offer higher purses.

Not just horse jobs being lost. Rural communities most affected.
The cancellation of the program “will result in thousands of job losses, primarily in rural Ontario, and devastate an industry that is key to the economic well-being of many smaller communities,” Runciman said.

“And it’s not just the horse business, but the broader economy, particularly in small-town and rural Ontario, that will be hit. Blacksmiths, veterinarians, truck dealers, crop growers, hardware stores --- they will all lose with the program’s cancellation. Thousands of jobs outside the horse business itself will disappear,” Runciman said.


McGuinty is all about the big city. Do whatever possible to help out TO. The little rural guys.....to bad so sad we don't care what happens to you. Is Norfolk County part of TO Slowfood? Nope. We is rural folk and we is gonna get the McGuinty shaft just like the rest of rural Ontario. Dalton will not be happy until Ontario is all Big City with nothing in between but land.

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Post by Slowfood on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:49 pm

Tito the billions was from Spid's post Wed May 30, 8:28 pm.
Anyway, where would the horsey people be if the slots were never added?
If an industry cannot stand on it's own it's day may be over.
The 1.4 billion collected is really peanuts in the grand scheme of things.Budget $130 billion.
A determined cabinet minister can turn that amount and more into nothing.
The tech sector and auto sector and the parts suppliers and their suppliers do stand alone. Been there seen it first hand.
If this industry is so vital then why can't it stand alone with out a handout ?
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Post by tito fuentes on Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:00 pm

Well Slowfood , the horse racing industry was alive and well in the days before gambling was allowed in every corner store in Ontario. Remember the days of the Irish Sweepstakes and Saturday night bingo? That and horse racing were the only legal forms of gambling. In this microwave, instant gratification world we live in it seems people would rather scratch a ticket than interpret a racing form. Again you are showing your potential to govern ( was that the Liberals or the Conservatives that were wooing you). A profit of over $1 billion and providing 60,000 jobs is insignificant? Especially when all the government has to do is leave the industry alone? The auto sector stands alone? Tax breaks/ incentives cannot be interpretted as subsidies? Finally I am offended by your arrogance and ignorance when you refer to professional, world class horsemen and breeders as "horsey people".

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Post by tito fuentes on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:30 am

Thomas Walkom, in the Saturday June 2 2012 edition of the Toronto Star writes with regard to the General Motors cutbacks in Oshawa..." That would be the General Motors, incidentally, which Canada's federal government and Ontario's provincial government, helped to save from bankruptcy in 2009. We had to bail out the auto giant, we were told then, in order to protect the economy." Is it fair to assume that by bailing out, we in some way subsidized the auto maker?
Slowfood wrote..".The tech sector and the auto sector and the parts suppliers and their supporters do stand alone. Been there SEEN it first hand." Hmmmmmmmmm. Seems to be in direct conflict with Mr. Walkom's assessment.
Beware of government spin doctors, even the "horsey people " know that.

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Post by growler on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:32 am

another part of it is employment !
for example. if you ever go into dresden up on #21 highway,in kent county.
nice successful appearing little town.
extremly great looking fairgrounds including a horse race track.
but prior to the slots being allowed into the track, they just had a sleepy little ton, with a cannery as the major source of work, and a track, that needed repairs and upgrading.
then the gov't, let them have slots!
that helped them rebuild the track,and the whole fairground area, caused employment LOCALY so the town benifited plus the track. and prior to the slots the town had a racetrack that gave a few part time work but afterwards full time work so merchants prospered people came and stayed there (bought homes)as well as company reps coming to town seen happy workers, vast downtown improvements, and started building factory's.
the town reawoke and was happy.
no tax money being spent to do this!
just slot money.
but now, no more extra,no subsidy money coming in, no more work at the slots, unemployment, no tourists buying cars,gas,services,gas, candy bars,etc.etc.
but chatham might get a big usa based casino, that will take the money back to vegas, and ask us to subsidise the big arcade styled building built to only last 20 years when they have their pockets full and leave !
i'd rather have slots at the track in dresden !
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